the asp.net web forms designer

<rant>
Just wondering if it's just me, or is the 2003 asp.net web forms designer an
HTML-mangling, unstable, poorly written POS?
</rant>
Paulturn off the auto formatting options..
and yes, it is.
Curt Christianson
site: http://www.darkfalz.com
blog: http://blog.darkfalz.com
"PJ6" wrote:

> <rant>
> Just wondering if it's just me, or is the 2003 asp.net web forms designer
an
> HTML-mangling, unstable, poorly written POS?
> </rant>
> Paul
>
>
*yawn*
Then why not go back to using whatever non-MS product you're a fanboy of?
"PJ6" <nobody@dotnet.itags.org.nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> <rant>
> Just wondering if it's just me, or is the 2003 asp.net web forms designer
an
> HTML-mangling, unstable, poorly written POS?
> </rant>
> Paul
>
I'm totally new to web development. If you have a suggestion for an
alternative I'm all ears.
Paul
"Aidy" <sorry@dotnet.itags.org.noemail.zzz> wrote in message
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> *yawn*
> Then why not go back to using whatever non-MS product you're a fanboy of?
> "PJ6" <nobody@dotnet.itags.org.nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:OFuwrTmrFHA.3352@dotnet.itags.org.TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> an
>
VS.NET is not meant for you to really design professional pages in. It's
good for quick things - but most web designers use another product.
Then, the development for the code behind the page is done in VS.NET.
Sorry, but this is not news.
"PJ6" <nobody@dotnet.itags.org.nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> <rant>
> Just wondering if it's just me, or is the 2003 asp.net web forms designer
> an HTML-mangling, unstable, poorly written POS?
> </rant>
> Paul
>

the asp.net web forms designer

<rant>
Just wondering if it's just me, or is the 2003 asp.net web forms designer an
HTML-mangling, unstable, poorly written POS?
</rant
Paulturn off the auto formatting options..
and yes, it is.

--
Curt Christianson
site: http://www.darkfalz.com
blog: http://blog.darkfalz.com

"PJ6" wrote:

> <rant>
> Just wondering if it's just me, or is the 2003 asp.net web forms designer an
> HTML-mangling, unstable, poorly written POS?
> </rant>
> Paul
>
*yawn*

Then why not go back to using whatever non-MS product you're a fanboy of?

"PJ6" <nobody@dotnet.itags.org.nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> <rant>
> Just wondering if it's just me, or is the 2003 asp.net web forms designer
an
> HTML-mangling, unstable, poorly written POS?
> </rant>
> Paul
I'm totally new to web development. If you have a suggestion for an
alternative I'm all ears.

Paul

"Aidy" <sorry@dotnet.itags.org.noemail.zzz> wrote in message
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> *yawn*
> Then why not go back to using whatever non-MS product you're a fanboy of?
> "PJ6" <nobody@dotnet.itags.org.nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:OFuwrTmrFHA.3352@dotnet.itags.org.TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> <rant>
>> Just wondering if it's just me, or is the 2003 asp.net web forms designer
> an
>> HTML-mangling, unstable, poorly written POS?
>> </rant>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
VS.NET is not meant for you to really design professional pages in. It's
good for quick things - but most web designers use another product.
Then, the development for the code behind the page is done in VS.NET.

Sorry, but this is not news.

"PJ6" <nobody@dotnet.itags.org.nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> <rant>
> Just wondering if it's just me, or is the 2003 asp.net web forms designer
> an HTML-mangling, unstable, poorly written POS?
> </rant>
> Paul

the best pratice to save lot of data

hi there people...
im developing an application where i need 190 input text, in 8
diferent forms..
anyone can tell me the best pratice to save the the data while edit
the others forms?
viewstate?
sessions?
or database in each "next" click?
Tobias Ramos
Belo Horizonte MG
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> hi there people...
> im developing an application where i need 190 input text, in 8
> diferent forms..
> anyone can tell me the best pratice to save the the data while edit
> the others forms?
> viewstate?
> sessions?
> or database in each "next" click?
I would probably use a database... so users can come back in the future to
finish off the survey.
You can tag each user with a Cookie to look up their saved results.
Lucas Tam (REMOVEnntp@dotnet.itags.org.rogers.com)
Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when replying.
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Hi,
Viewstate: - Not possible as you have user specific data for each instances
of the form.
Database: - very expensive operation as you have to save & retrieve for each
form you have filled in.
Session: - Appropriate for this scenario.
Regards
Joyjit
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> hi there people...
> im developing an application where i need 190 input text, in 8
> diferent forms..
> anyone can tell me the best pratice to save the the data while edit
> the others forms?
> viewstate?
> sessions?
> or database in each "next" click?
> Tobias Ramos
> Belo Horizonte MG
> Brasil
First, I would probably store the data in a HashTable to make it easy to
access and use the field ID names as the index field.
I would probably use session state to store this hash table if I did not
expect much heavy traffic. If traffic is a concern, then you can push it to
the database serializing the hashtable to a blob. You could even use a MS
Access database for that as long as you are in a "one" web server as opposed
to a server farm.
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> hi there people...
> im developing an application where i need 190 input text, in 8
> diferent forms..
> anyone can tell me the best pratice to save the the data while edit
> the others forms?
> viewstate?
> sessions?
> or database in each "next" click?
> Tobias Ramos
> Belo Horizonte MG
> Brasil

the best pratice to save lot of data

hi there people...

im developing an application where i need 190 input text, in 8
diferent forms..
anyone can tell me the best pratice to save the the data while edit
the others forms?
viewstate?
sessions?
or database in each "next" click?

Tobias Ramos
Belo Horizonte MG
Brasil"Tobias[br]" <l_tobias@dotnet.itags.org.terra.com.br> wrote in
news:987dj0do51v3gv5hlojv7tpg7aoqb0fkce@dotnet.itags.org.4ax.com:

> hi there people...
> im developing an application where i need 190 input text, in 8
> diferent forms..
> anyone can tell me the best pratice to save the the data while edit
> the others forms?
> viewstate?
> sessions?
> or database in each "next" click?

I would probably use a database... so users can come back in the future to
finish off the survey.

You can tag each user with a Cookie to look up their saved results.

--
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Hi,

Viewstate: - Not possible as you have user specific data for each instances
of the form.

Database: - very expensive operation as you have to save & retrieve for each
form you have filled in.

Session: - Appropriate for this scenario.

Regards
Joyjit

"Tobias[br]" <l_tobias@dotnet.itags.org.terra.com.br> wrote in message
news:987dj0do51v3gv5hlojv7tpg7aoqb0fkce@dotnet.itags.org.4ax.com...
> hi there people...
> im developing an application where i need 190 input text, in 8
> diferent forms..
> anyone can tell me the best pratice to save the the data while edit
> the others forms?
> viewstate?
> sessions?
> or database in each "next" click?
> Tobias Ramos
> Belo Horizonte MG
> Brasil
First, I would probably store the data in a HashTable to make it easy to
access and use the field ID names as the index field.

I would probably use session state to store this hash table if I did not
expect much heavy traffic. If traffic is a concern, then you can push it to
the database serializing the hashtable to a blob. You could even use a MS
Access database for that as long as you are in a "one" web server as opposed
to a server farm.

--
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"Tobias[br]" <l_tobias@dotnet.itags.org.terra.com.br> wrote in message
news:987dj0do51v3gv5hlojv7tpg7aoqb0fkce@dotnet.itags.org.4ax.com...
> hi there people...
> im developing an application where i need 190 input text, in 8
> diferent forms..
> anyone can tell me the best pratice to save the the data while edit
> the others forms?
> viewstate?
> sessions?
> or database in each "next" click?
> Tobias Ramos
> Belo Horizonte MG
> Brasil

The control values are not sent to the form code.

I am new to Web Forms and I ported my little app from Windows Forms to
ASP.NET and I am wondering why some things are not working as before.
Although I figured most of them, one of them is that on my form I have input
fields and a button causing to store all the input fields into the database.
However, when in the button OnClick event I gather all the form control
values by either getting txtBox.Text or lstChoice.SelectedItem, all the
values are not equal to the user choices, but to the values last set by the
form programatically on Form Load. It looks that I am missing some event tha
t
sends the user control values from the client to the server.
Am I missing something?
Thank you
Cezar MartCezar:
Take a look at http://openmymind.net/FAQ.aspx?documentId=2
short answer is you need to wrap the code which initially sets the values in
a if not page.IsPostback then
Karl
MY ASP.Net tutorials
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http://www.openmymind.net/faq.aspx - unofficial newsgroup FAQ (more to
come!)
"Cezar" <Cezar@dotnet.itags.org.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> I am new to Web Forms and I ported my little app from Windows Forms to
> ASP.NET and I am wondering why some things are not working as before.
> Although I figured most of them, one of them is that on my form I have
input
> fields and a button causing to store all the input fields into the
database.
> However, when in the button OnClick event I gather all the form control
> values by either getting txtBox.Text or lstChoice.SelectedItem, all the
> values are not equal to the user choices, but to the values last set by
the
> form programatically on Form Load. It looks that I am missing some event
that
> sends the user control values from the client to the server.
> Am I missing something?
> Thank you
> Cezar Mart
>

The control values are not sent to the form code.

I am new to Web Forms and I ported my little app from Windows Forms to
ASP.NET and I am wondering why some things are not working as before.
Although I figured most of them, one of them is that on my form I have input
fields and a button causing to store all the input fields into the database.
However, when in the button OnClick event I gather all the form control
values by either getting txtBox.Text or lstChoice.SelectedItem, all the
values are not equal to the user choices, but to the values last set by the
form programatically on Form Load. It looks that I am missing some event that
sends the user control values from the client to the server.
Am I missing something?
Thank you
Cezar MartCezar:
Take a look at http://openmymind.net/FAQ.aspx?documentId=2

short answer is you need to wrap the code which initially sets the values in
a if not page.IsPostback then

Karl

--
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http://www.openmymind.net/ - New and Improved (yes, the popup is annoying)
http://www.openmymind.net/faq.aspx - unofficial newsgroup FAQ (more to
come!)

"Cezar" <Cezar@dotnet.itags.org.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E8548106-843F-4252-A39F-4C40BC63774B@dotnet.itags.org.microsoft.com...
> I am new to Web Forms and I ported my little app from Windows Forms to
> ASP.NET and I am wondering why some things are not working as before.
> Although I figured most of them, one of them is that on my form I have
input
> fields and a button causing to store all the input fields into the
database.
> However, when in the button OnClick event I gather all the form control
> values by either getting txtBox.Text or lstChoice.SelectedItem, all the
> values are not equal to the user choices, but to the values last set by
the
> form programatically on Form Load. It looks that I am missing some event
that
> sends the user control values from the client to the server.
> Am I missing something?
> Thank you
> Cezar Mart

The file could not be loaded into the Web Forms designer

I'm having some problem with my Visual Studio.NET 2003 (.NET 1.1 SP1)
install. I am unable to use the web forms designer with any aspx file
whose
form class inherits from a base class. I'm implementing the page
controller
design pattern and everything has been working fine until now. My form
inherits from a base class called CampusNET.CampusPage. The class
exists, is
included in the project and compiles just fine. If I replace the base
class
for my form with the standard System.Web.UI.Page, the designer can open
the
form without any problems, but as soon as I try to inherit from my base
class, it breaks down. I've tried it with an empty base class with only
the
Page_Load method, but the problem remains.

The base class is not abstract so that's not the issue. Neither is the
problem related to the registry entry that leads to the "Illegal
character
in path" error. The full error message looks like this:

"The file could not be loaded into the Web Forms designer. Please
correct
the following error and then try loading it again:

The designer could not be shown for this file because none of the
classes
within can be designed. The designer inspected the following classes in
the
file:

MenuTest -- The base class 'CampusNET.CampusPage' could not be loaded.

Ensure the assembly has been referenced or built if it is part of the
project.

Make sure all of the classes used in the page are build or referenced
in the
project. Click Help for more information."

Has anyone encountered this problem before? I really need to get this
fixed
as soon as possible.

Regards
/CThis is a known issue. I'm pretty certain that it's fixed in VS2005.
I've had something similar with my own base classes... probably a simpler
situation than yours. Mine rears it's head the first time you get the source
code from source control, before you build your project. My project also
contains the base class. It seems as if the designer needs the compiled
version of the base class present - so my fix is to build the project so the
base class gets fixed and all seems to work OK

Hope this helps

Richard MCSD .NET

"crusell@.gmail.com" wrote:

> I'm having some problem with my Visual Studio.NET 2003 (.NET 1.1 SP1)
> install. I am unable to use the web forms designer with any aspx file
> whose
> form class inherits from a base class. I'm implementing the page
> controller
> design pattern and everything has been working fine until now. My form
> inherits from a base class called CampusNET.CampusPage. The class
> exists, is
> included in the project and compiles just fine. If I replace the base
> class
> for my form with the standard System.Web.UI.Page, the designer can open
> the
> form without any problems, but as soon as I try to inherit from my base
> class, it breaks down. I've tried it with an empty base class with only
> the
> Page_Load method, but the problem remains.
> The base class is not abstract so that's not the issue. Neither is the
> problem related to the registry entry that leads to the "Illegal
> character
> in path" error. The full error message looks like this:
> "The file could not be loaded into the Web Forms designer. Please
> correct
> the following error and then try loading it again:
> The designer could not be shown for this file because none of the
> classes
> within can be designed. The designer inspected the following classes in
> the
> file:
> MenuTest -- The base class 'CampusNET.CampusPage' could not be loaded.
> Ensure the assembly has been referenced or built if it is part of the
> project.
> Make sure all of the classes used in the page are build or referenced
> in the
> project. Click Help for more information."
> Has anyone encountered this problem before? I really need to get this
> fixed
> as soon as possible.
> Regards
> /C
>

The file could not be loaded into the Web Forms designer

I'm having some problem with my Visual Studio.NET 2003 (.NET 1.1 SP1)
install. I am unable to use the web forms designer with any aspx file
whose
form class inherits from a base class. I'm implementing the page
controller
design pattern and everything has been working fine until now. My form
inherits from a base class called CampusNET.CampusPage. The class
exists, is
included in the project and compiles just fine. If I replace the base
class
for my form with the standard System.Web.UI.Page, the designer can open
the
form without any problems, but as soon as I try to inherit from my base
class, it breaks down. I've tried it with an empty base class with only
the
Page_Load method, but the problem remains.
The base class is not abstract so that's not the issue. Neither is the
problem related to the registry entry that leads to the "Illegal
character
in path" error. The full error message looks like this:
"The file could not be loaded into the Web Forms designer. Please
correct
the following error and then try loading it again:
The designer could not be shown for this file because none of the
classes
within can be designed. The designer inspected the following classes in
the
file:
MenuTest -- The base class 'CampusNET.CampusPage' could not be loaded.
Ensure the assembly has been referenced or built if it is part of the
project.
Make sure all of the classes used in the page are build or referenced
in the
project. Click Help for more information."
Has anyone encountered this problem before? I really need to get this
fixed
as soon as possible.
Regards
/CThis is a known issue. I'm pretty certain that it's fixed in VS2005.
I've had something similar with my own base classes... probably a simpler
situation than yours. Mine rears it's head the first time you get the sourc
e
code from source control, before you build your project. My project also
contains the base class. It seems as if the designer needs the compiled
version of the base class present - so my fix is to build the project so the
base class gets fixed and all seems to work OK
Hope this helps
Richard MCSD .NET
"crusell@.gmail.com" wrote:

> I'm having some problem with my Visual Studio.NET 2003 (.NET 1.1 SP1)
> install. I am unable to use the web forms designer with any aspx file
> whose
> form class inherits from a base class. I'm implementing the page
> controller
> design pattern and everything has been working fine until now. My form
> inherits from a base class called CampusNET.CampusPage. The class
> exists, is
> included in the project and compiles just fine. If I replace the base
> class
> for my form with the standard System.Web.UI.Page, the designer can open
> the
> form without any problems, but as soon as I try to inherit from my base
> class, it breaks down. I've tried it with an empty base class with only
> the
> Page_Load method, but the problem remains.
> The base class is not abstract so that's not the issue. Neither is the
> problem related to the registry entry that leads to the "Illegal
> character
> in path" error. The full error message looks like this:
> "The file could not be loaded into the Web Forms designer. Please
> correct
> the following error and then try loading it again:
> The designer could not be shown for this file because none of the
> classes
> within can be designed. The designer inspected the following classes in
> the
> file:
> MenuTest -- The base class 'CampusNET.CampusPage' could not be loaded.
> Ensure the assembly has been referenced or built if it is part of the
> project.
> Make sure all of the classes used in the page are build or referenced
> in the
> project. Click Help for more information."
> Has anyone encountered this problem before? I really need to get this
> fixed
> as soon as possible.
> Regards
> /C
>